Pvdj Digital Audio Interface™

[Professor Jam]

Ed,

ReFlex is another tool and you will not see the advanced hype from me like prior NAMM.. The advance NAMM hype was to balance the playing field and just let people know something new was coming and many actually have waited... I have a personal friend that waited two years [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/img]) And so now one calles me full-of-it Charles and Scott where are you [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]

The next time you see hype from my will be when you have a location to download a working demo of ReFlex... Gizmo did a great job with the other two tools and are burried in the ReFlex project... How dedicated are they? They did not even go to NAMM to see the release of the PVDJ tools. That's dedication...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I had no idea you were an FX user…* Let me reply in kind…
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I'm not here to discuss FX, so what if I'm a FX user, it does not mean I blindly go where Viso leads, trust me.. Besides as far as this controller goes it's apples and oranges IMO..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>#2….. No – I have not seen another controller for CPS DJing on the market. If you have please inform me – YES they have broken ground here which nulls your comments.[/b][/quote]

There's is plent of DJ software that can be controller by touch sensitive screens, the only difference here is it's built int the controller. Nifty? yes, Groundbreaking? no..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>#3….. Yes & No[/b][/quote]

It's nothing groundbreaking, again it's a good feature, but noting shocking..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>#5….. What do you mean by up to debate?* Lets be specific and not minimize what is your debate?[/b][/quote]

To me the unit looks like a pe-release product, no text on the front, just buttons with pictograms. The display IMO is prone to become crowded with info, something that is a complaint in the keyboard world for years.. Overall I do not like the way this product looks, I'd be interested to see hwo it functions but first impressions are not good for me..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>#6….. Explain to me what other CPS controller offers this… I could be missing one and seeing how you minimized it you must have facts[/b][/quote]

What I am trying to say is that any USB controller can be made to work with windows and MAC.. I'll give you it appears this is the first that does out of the box, but I know of mac user who use dac-2 controllers..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>#10… Explain to me what other CPS controller offers this… I could be missing one and seeing how you minimized it you must have facts[/b][/quote]

It's a matter of trying to find any grondbreaking features, again this is nice to hav, but for many of no use and not something I would call groundbreaking..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>#11… No – I have not seen another controller for CPS DJing on the market. If you have please inform me – YES they have broken ground here which nulls your comments yet again. I suppose you see no benefit in this as well ~~gag~~[/b][/quote]

As tey choose to implement one display for both players it's obvious info for both players is on the same display at the same time. It's nothing special, it's a logical design choice. Other controllers have separate displays for each player whcih IMO is better as it provides better separation of information, but that's personal..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>#15… I doubt you will believe even when you see it…. [/b][/quote]

I will.. reflex sound cool, and it might be what I want/need.. I am not stuck on FX or anything else.. I will buy/use what allows me to do my job.. Right now that's FX but if something comes along that makes me do a better job I'll switch in a heartbeat.. the tunes stay the same and that's what matters most IMO.. Point in case is I have my needs expecially for the controller, and this one is not it.. I'll tell you what I need if you wanna hear, but I guess that's for another thread..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>#16… Say’s who? Where is over here?* If you have never heard of Peavey I see no need for President Bush to go to Marrs as you are already there… Peavey is a major player in the music industry which does not only revolve around us DJs… [/b][/quote]

I've heard of Peavy, I have used peavey stuff.. in fact I still do. But I would not (yet) put peavey at the top of the DJ scene foodchain. That's where Technics, Pioneer and Denon rule supreme. And as far as Bush goes.. Oh well that's another story for another time..[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif[/img]

[SOHO]

Yes, the put-offish chap demo-ing it was named Adam, general consensus was dissapointed, that the first impression is made by the guy demoing and answering questions. And the first impression made was not a good one due to his attitude. Very quick to try and make people feel stupid for asking questions. I saw a few aggrevated individuals walk away in disgust. That was a shame, any new product deserves a friendlier face.
It most certainly was not plastic. Seems very sturdy and well made. Every feature that was shown worked very well. I hope today the public relations factor improves a bit with a bit friendlier front-end and maybe letting other people actually touch and play with it. The software as displayed on the monitor does have a crossfader but not as displayed on the built in monitor so without the full setup of mose/monitor/keyboard there are no crossfade possibilities without an external mixer. I think a built in hardware crossfader would have strengthened their position that the external mouse/monitor was not really needed during use with the provided mic input.
It seems well made and I'm sure it will find many users. Hopefully I'll see a more advanced side of the software today.
Personally my excitement is still held for ReFlex as it sounds like its feature-set is by far the more desirable of the products.
Side-note is that scratch products had very good crowd response. Scratching is something that, to me, is not important but for DJ software at the show, the best crowds were held by Serato, final scratch and PCDJ.

[mp3jrick]

Just think of the possibilities if we could get an A/B fader in the controller.
And that goes for any of them for that matter, simple little thing nobody has done yet, and all the wiring is present.

[Professor Jam]

Paul,

I read my post and I re-read your response and I will no longer debate with you...

I said I was not going to split hairs and you are spliting hairs... You will not give the development team credit where credit is due.. Sure anyone with the ability can do any of the above, however, who has done it to date?

In my book doing it first is ground breaking... You and I will not see eye to eye and that's too bad - You win... You are corrrect... You are the man... I bow

Ed------ Is it just me? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img]

SOHO - I totally agree at a trade show you have a smiling and knowledgeable face up front... It's a shame for Peavey if that is not the case... However, I hope you get to get jiggy with it... Be safe and have fun today...

[HeadlineDJ]

SOHO, (ED)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>You can put any sort of controller you want on the screen

Extra buttons, sliders, knobs, cross fader etc
It's all up to the software using it
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As per above quote it seems the controller will display whatever the software and or Configuration withint the software allows youto display.

So it would seem that at some point you can have a Cross fader on the controller.

Groundbreaking... I think so as Jam stated, these guys are the first to do any of this!!! Sure as Paul said anyone can, but WHO has???? Gizmolabs! thats who!

SOHO, (Ed), Pay a few muscle guys to remove that Exec DJ (not) and get someone who can mix up there [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

[SOHO]

Originally posted by HeadlineDJ@Jan 16 2004, 01:16 PM
SOHO, (ED)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>You can put any sort of controller you want on the screen

Extra buttons, sliders, knobs, cross fader etc
It's all up to the software using it

As per above quote it seems the controller will display whatever the software and or Configuration withint the software allows youto display. [/b][/quote]
What is shown on the external monitor is not what is shown on the built-in monitor. It is stripped down drasticly. Built in display shows your tracks available and just the status/times of the 2 players. Nothing like the external monitor. Like I mentioned, th software has a crossfader which is shown on the external monitor. The british chappy stated all those externals like monitor and such were now an option, but then you lose the ability to see and control any onscreen crossfader. A simple built in hardware fader would have fixed all those issues, but according to the Peavey guy, no one one the planet would want that except for the one guy at the show who asked LOL
Being that the soundcard (per-se) is built into the controller, it would have been far too easy to do.

[Kent]

Here is a sample of a mixer screen
I hope this explains what I was saying



/Kent Johansson

[mp3jrick]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>A simple built in hardware fader would have fixed all those issues, but according to the Peavey guy, no one one the planet would want that except for the one guy at the show who asked LOL[/b][/quote]


Typical tunnel vision attitude, get a clue.
Even when you hand them an idea, they'd rather slam you than say "hmmm, that's a good idea....."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I said I was not going to split hairs and you are splitting hairs... You will not give the development team credit where credit is due.. Sure anyone with the ability can do any of the above, however, who has done it to date? [/b][/quote]

I'm not splitting hairs, I can see the idea behind the controller, but do not think it is what the doctor ordered just yet. This is the first product which tries to integrate separate parts of a digital DJ system into one controller. As it usually goes it takes a generation or two to get a product which actually works. If the market shows an interest that is..

The reason no-one has done it IMO is because the big players in this market do not see it as a potential money maker. It is then upto the 'small' players to take the chance and either go and join the big guys or be left with doorstops..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>In my book doing it first is ground breaking... [/b][/quote]

This is where we differ in opinion, groundbreaking is IMO when people go 'now why didn't I think of that'. As I said I feel this product is 'simply' throwing the separate parts into one box. Which has it's pros and cons, but right now as far as I am concerned the cons have it. I doubt this product does propel Peavey into the forefront of DJ technology, but time will tell..